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	<title>Comments on: Retail Sins</title>
	<link>http://www.aelon.net/2006/07/retail-sins/</link>
	<description>Random babblings from a few digitally inclined people</description>
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		<title>by: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2006/07/retail-sins/#comment-2054</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sadly where I live smaller stores no longer exist. Esspecially ones that would sell games. The only &quot;Ma and Pa&quot; stores around here would be restaurants since they offer something corporate america cannot fully compete with yet.

A friend of mine owns a local business that buys and sells all types of media, mostly used. I tend to do about 50% of my business with him and 50% online. While I don't like not giving the developers money for their product (in the case of buying used) I like to support local businesses.  I usually only buy games at his shop that have been around for quite a while and &quot;made their money&quot; so to speak. Titles or new concepts I believe in that need the retail numbers I might buy elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly where I live smaller stores no longer exist. Esspecially ones that would sell games. The only &#8220;Ma and Pa&#8221; stores around here would be restaurants since they offer something corporate america cannot fully compete with yet.</p>
<p>A friend of mine owns a local business that buys and sells all types of media, mostly used. I tend to do about 50% of my business with him and 50% online. While I don&#8217;t like not giving the developers money for their product (in the case of buying used) I like to support local businesses.  I usually only buy games at his shop that have been around for quite a while and &#8220;made their money&#8221; so to speak. Titles or new concepts I believe in that need the retail numbers I might buy elsewhere.
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		<title>by: Kelmon</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2006/07/retail-sins/#comment-2053</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 10:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'd suggest neither purchasing from the likes of Walmart or online distribution and instead buy the title from smaller stores that make up whatever the American version of the High Street is.  If you give your money to either the bigger shops or online then you're kinda killing the smaller shops either way.  I'm sure this is more expensive but it depends if the character of your local towns are important to you.

My excuse at the moment is that I can't speak Dutch and I end up buying most of my stuff online in the UK since that's the only way that I can get something I can understand.  However, if wasn't for this then I'd buy local.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d suggest neither purchasing from the likes of Walmart or online distribution and instead buy the title from smaller stores that make up whatever the American version of the High Street is.  If you give your money to either the bigger shops or online then you&#8217;re kinda killing the smaller shops either way.  I&#8217;m sure this is more expensive but it depends if the character of your local towns are important to you.</p>
<p>My excuse at the moment is that I can&#8217;t speak Dutch and I end up buying most of my stuff online in the UK since that&#8217;s the only way that I can get something I can understand.  However, if wasn&#8217;t for this then I&#8217;d buy local.
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		<title>by: katy</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2006/07/retail-sins/#comment-2051</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>first, regardless of price differentials between realtors and digital distributors, buying games (or anything for that matter) in small chunks is nice; especially when you get to use those bits without all the others.  like kid's meal toys, you get one toy that works all by itself, but if you collect all four they connect together to make a zoo-tropolis of love and happiness.

secondly, and i'm sure this is a point everyone's thought of but not though important enough to bring up because everyone else probably thought of it too, you don't have to go anywhere to buy the game through the likes of steam.  i don't know how anyone else is doing these days, but i just spent $38 something on gas and my tank wasn't even empty when i started.  'nough said i think.

i say, holliday, support the potential of digital-disruption and buy online.  you’re supporting the publishers directly and like Head said, we vote with our wallets.  i'd vote for steam over wal-mart any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>first, regardless of price differentials between realtors and digital distributors, buying games (or anything for that matter) in small chunks is nice; especially when you get to use those bits without all the others.  like kid&#8217;s meal toys, you get one toy that works all by itself, but if you collect all four they connect together to make a zoo-tropolis of love and happiness.</p>
<p>secondly, and i&#8217;m sure this is a point everyone&#8217;s thought of but not though important enough to bring up because everyone else probably thought of it too, you don&#8217;t have to go anywhere to buy the game through the likes of steam.  i don&#8217;t know how anyone else is doing these days, but i just spent $38 something on gas and my tank wasn&#8217;t even empty when i started.  &#8216;nough said i think.</p>
<p>i say, holliday, support the potential of digital-disruption and buy online.  you’re supporting the publishers directly and like Head said, we vote with our wallets.  i&#8217;d vote for steam over wal-mart any day.
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		<title>by: Head881</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2006/07/retail-sins/#comment-2050</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.aelon.net/2006/07/retail-sins/#comment-2050</guid>
					<description>The problem is that this is a very new, bleeding-edge method of distributing content in the videogame industry.  

As an early adopter to this method of distribution you are indeed essentially a guinea pig.  You have to deal with that.  The same thing is going on right now with microtransactions as exampled by the Oblivion Horse Armor content package.  

Bethesda didn't, and may still not, know what each chunk of digital content is worth.  So, they dropped the horse armor at two bucks to see who would bite.  Then they released more content per pack for two bucks a pop, I assume when the gaming community started an outcry. 

Maybe Ritual has re-examined what the content is worth and decided that at twenty-dollars a pop, they won't be able to sell as much, based on what they are providing.  Perhaps at eight bucks, they figure more will sell. 

Of course, that's probably not correct as you've already stated that Steam still shows it at twenty bucks, unless of course, a price drop is in the offing.

Really though, Vermouth is probably correct.  Wal-Mart sells stuff for dirt cheap to get people into the store to buy other things.  I don't imagine the general consumer is clamoring for SiN, but who knows. 

In any case, stick with your guns, buy the items through digital distribution.  We vote with our wallets and if the powers that be see that more people are buying via digital distribution over hard-copy, they will move more content to digital distribution and offer smaller developers a blueprint to get their product to consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that this is a very new, bleeding-edge method of distributing content in the videogame industry.  </p>
<p>As an early adopter to this method of distribution you are indeed essentially a guinea pig.  You have to deal with that.  The same thing is going on right now with microtransactions as exampled by the Oblivion Horse Armor content package.  </p>
<p>Bethesda didn&#8217;t, and may still not, know what each chunk of digital content is worth.  So, they dropped the horse armor at two bucks to see who would bite.  Then they released more content per pack for two bucks a pop, I assume when the gaming community started an outcry. </p>
<p>Maybe Ritual has re-examined what the content is worth and decided that at twenty-dollars a pop, they won&#8217;t be able to sell as much, based on what they are providing.  Perhaps at eight bucks, they figure more will sell. </p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s probably not correct as you&#8217;ve already stated that Steam still shows it at twenty bucks, unless of course, a price drop is in the offing.</p>
<p>Really though, Vermouth is probably correct.  Wal-Mart sells stuff for dirt cheap to get people into the store to buy other things.  I don&#8217;t imagine the general consumer is clamoring for SiN, but who knows. </p>
<p>In any case, stick with your guns, buy the items through digital distribution.  We vote with our wallets and if the powers that be see that more people are buying via digital distribution over hard-copy, they will move more content to digital distribution and offer smaller developers a blueprint to get their product to consumers.
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		<title>by: Vermouth</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2006/07/retail-sins/#comment-2049</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>They can't make a profit selling it at 7.99.  I've worked a bit in retail so let me lay this out for everyone.  Anytime anything you see at retail is going for less than half the SRP it's one of two types of products.  Either a loss-leader or an overstocked item.  

In this case I'd wager that Wal-Mart just bought more copies of Sin than people wanted.  So discounting the damned thing is probably there best bet so that they make some money as opposed to no money on these things.  

The other case is what we saw with HL2:EP2 which was available at Circuit City for like 9 dollars the week it came out.  They A-aren't making that much money on a 20 dollar sale B-Can discount it deeply as a loss leader as they're betting that 20% or more of you who come in and buy it discounted will buy a high margin item like a cell phone accessory or a cd or something of that nature. You'd be surprised how well they can hit the nail on the head of how much a sale will effect overall bussiness, when i managed a restaurant and they could project sales figures with coupons very efficently.  

Digital distribution can't really offer loss-leaders or overstock discounts sadly.  Personally I'd say buy it because I think retail stores are pariahs who suck the life out of the games industry but I'm something of a firm believer in the slogan the personal is political.   I'd be happier giving Ritual 20 dollars than giving Wal-Mart 2, a Distributor &amp; Ritual 3 each or something of that nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can&#8217;t make a profit selling it at 7.99.  I&#8217;ve worked a bit in retail so let me lay this out for everyone.  Anytime anything you see at retail is going for less than half the SRP it&#8217;s one of two types of products.  Either a loss-leader or an overstocked item.  </p>
<p>In this case I&#8217;d wager that Wal-Mart just bought more copies of Sin than people wanted.  So discounting the damned thing is probably there best bet so that they make some money as opposed to no money on these things.  </p>
<p>The other case is what we saw with HL2:EP2 which was available at Circuit City for like 9 dollars the week it came out.  They A-aren&#8217;t making that much money on a 20 dollar sale B-Can discount it deeply as a loss leader as they&#8217;re betting that 20% or more of you who come in and buy it discounted will buy a high margin item like a cell phone accessory or a cd or something of that nature. You&#8217;d be surprised how well they can hit the nail on the head of how much a sale will effect overall bussiness, when i managed a restaurant and they could project sales figures with coupons very efficently.  </p>
<p>Digital distribution can&#8217;t really offer loss-leaders or overstock discounts sadly.  Personally I&#8217;d say buy it because I think retail stores are pariahs who suck the life out of the games industry but I&#8217;m something of a firm believer in the slogan the personal is political.   I&#8217;d be happier giving Ritual 20 dollars than giving Wal-Mart 2, a Distributor &#038; Ritual 3 each or something of that nature.
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