Comments on: ‘Playing to Win’ - The Ultimate Excuse? http://www.aelon.net/2006/03/playing-to-win-the-ultimate-excuse/ Random babblings from a few digitally inclined people Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:16:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: iTopherDotCom http://www.aelon.net/2006/03/playing-to-win-the-ultimate-excuse/#comment-1837 Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:18:46 +0000 http://www.aelon.net/2006/03/playing-to-win-the-ultimate-excuse/#comment-1837 "Playing To Win" has ruined Madden for me. Gimmickers, who only use their one money play, take all the fun and strategy out of the game. Hopefully NextGen consoles have the capability to DL patches that level the field of fair gaming.. “Playing To Win” has ruined Madden for me. Gimmickers, who only use their one money play, take all the fun and strategy out of the game.

Hopefully NextGen consoles have the capability to DL patches that level the field of fair gaming..

]]> by: MrHead! http://www.aelon.net/2006/03/playing-to-win-the-ultimate-excuse/#comment-1828 Mon, 06 Mar 2006 20:21:00 +0000 http://www.aelon.net/2006/03/playing-to-win-the-ultimate-excuse/#comment-1828 ... Well after reading that article, I have seriously rethought about some of my actions. I still stand by my belief to "play to win," but I think I shall try some new stuff out now. Thanks. …

Well after reading that article, I have seriously rethought about some of my actions. I still stand by my belief to “play to win,” but I think I shall try some new stuff out now.

Thanks.

]]> by: Plagiarize http://www.aelon.net/2006/03/playing-to-win-the-ultimate-excuse/#comment-1827 Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:18:51 +0000 http://www.aelon.net/2006/03/playing-to-win-the-ultimate-excuse/#comment-1827 In Reply to <a href="#comment-1825" rel="nofollow">#2</a>: Mr Head, I ask you to read this article on sirlen.net which is the last in the 'playing to win' series. It talks about how playing to win can actually be counterproductive, and how playing to win and playing to learn are often at loggerheads with each other. http://www.sirlin.net/archive/playing-to-win-part-3-not-playing-to-win/ As with most of the stuff Sirlen writes, it's a good read. In Reply to #2:

Mr Head, I ask you to read this article on sirlen.net which is the last in the ‘playing to win’ series. It talks about how playing to win can actually be counterproductive, and how playing to win and playing to learn are often at loggerheads with each other.

http://www.sirlin.net/archive/playing-to-win-part-3-not-playing-to-win/

As with most of the stuff Sirlen writes, it’s a good read.

]]> by: Glen C. http://www.aelon.net/2006/03/playing-to-win-the-ultimate-excuse/#comment-1826 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:50:09 +0000 http://www.aelon.net/2006/03/playing-to-win-the-ultimate-excuse/#comment-1826 Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 2 both come to mind, the latter more so. With the grenade launcher killing you as soon as you might see your respective target, it was impossible to do anything about. People barely rounded a corner when BAM you were dead. Luckily, Battlefield 2 is a pretty naturally rounded game, so there's a wide variety of weapons to counter anything you might come up against, except these. The only possible way to counter these are using anti-infantry mines that come with the sniper kit. The sniper kit isn't great, so what do you do? Luckily, the developers patched the game so now people stopped using it as much. Great article. Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 2 both come to mind, the latter more so. With the grenade launcher killing you as soon as you might see your respective target, it was impossible to do anything about. People barely rounded a corner when BAM you were dead. Luckily, Battlefield 2 is a pretty naturally rounded game, so there’s a wide variety of weapons to counter anything you might come up against, except these. The only possible way to counter these are using anti-infantry mines that come with the sniper kit. The sniper kit isn’t great, so what do you do? Luckily, the developers patched the game so now people stopped using it as much.

Great article.

]]> by: MrHead! http://www.aelon.net/2006/03/playing-to-win-the-ultimate-excuse/#comment-1825 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 06:38:33 +0000 http://www.aelon.net/2006/03/playing-to-win-the-ultimate-excuse/#comment-1825 I think I'm going to chime in about this, as I am a fan of that article about playing to win. Actually, after reading that article a few months ago I have changed how I think about doing things. I like to win. I love the feeling, it gives me a rush. I also hate losing. So as you see, there is only option for me in games and life. I have basically applied this to all forms of activity for me, "playing to win". In school during a review game, if we tie the game up everyone gets "free quiz passes". So being the dick I am, I make sure to get the points for us to win alone. Why? Because I play to win. In a debate in class about obese people, I went all out on why I don't like fat people who DON'T have a condition which makes them overweight. The fat kids in class disagreed with me, but I brought up stronger points than they did. I had won the discussion with reasonable arguments, but then I went further, basically insulting them with facts about their conditions. Why would I do this when I had already won? I play to win. And now when I play Mario Kart DS online I snake. Is it fun? Not at all. Snaking is horrifically unfun; it's downright boring. But I do it anyway, all for that winning fever. I do agree though, that there is a layer of cheapness that does ruin things a bit. Playing to win gives me that buzz, but also does fun gameplay. This is where the problem lies, what do I want to do: win or have fun? I think I’m going to chime in about this, as I am a fan of that article about playing to win.

Actually, after reading that article a few months ago I have changed how I think about doing things. I like to win. I love the feeling, it gives me a rush. I also hate losing. So as you see, there is only option for me in games and life.

I have basically applied this to all forms of activity for me, “playing to win”. In school during a review game, if we tie the game up everyone gets “free quiz passes”. So being the dick I am, I make sure to get the points for us to win alone. Why? Because I play to win.

In a debate in class about obese people, I went all out on why I don’t like fat people who DON’T have a condition which makes them overweight. The fat kids in class disagreed with me, but I brought up stronger points than they did. I had won the discussion with reasonable arguments, but then I went further, basically insulting them with facts about their conditions. Why would I do this when I had already won? I play to win.

And now when I play Mario Kart DS online I snake. Is it fun? Not at all. Snaking is horrifically unfun; it’s downright boring. But I do it anyway, all for that winning fever.

I do agree though, that there is a layer of cheapness that does ruin things a bit. Playing to win gives me that buzz, but also does fun gameplay. This is where the problem lies, what do I want to do: win or have fun?

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