Comments on: Vermy Reviews IE7

by: Lambchops

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:34:12 +0000

I agree that the way the tabs are going to work in IE7 is cumbersome compared to Firefox.

Having finally got round to changing to Firefox a few months back I can’t really be bothered going back to IE and about the only thing that will make me do so is more informed people than my self (such as everyone who has commented on this before me) think that it is a good idea.

I’m putting my trust in those who seem more in the know - it worked with Firefox so I trust their opinions.

by: Cyrris

Wed, 03 Aug 2005 05:39:06 +0000

1. Come up with an idea
2. Research what you need to make it happen
3. Find out the PERFECT way to do it
4. Find out that it requires CSS2
5. Find out that IE supports maybe 1 or 2 things from CSS2 and probably does it incorrectly
6. Try hacks, work arounds, and other mind bending attempts at making the code display what you want “on accident” in IE
7. Give up and use a simplified version of the idea or scrap it all together

Welcome to the development process of every site I’ve made so far this year.

by: Holliday

Wed, 03 Aug 2005 04:44:21 +0000

I have been learning Cascading Style Sheets off and on for a couple months and I cannot tell you how dissappointing it is when you fully realize IE’s faults. As an end user I can see why many say “Why firefox?” especially if tabbed browsing isn’t important to them. No one really cares about security until they get an attack as well.

However, from the design side IE is just a villian that makes things very difficult and just discouraging. The usual process in trying to get something fresh and original onto the web:
1. Come up with an idea
2. Research what you need to make it happen
3. Find out the PERFECT way to do it
4. Find out that it requires CSS2
5. Find out that IE supports maybe 1 or 2 things from CSS2 and probably does it incorrectly
6. Try hacks, work arounds, and other mind bending attempts at making the code display what you want “on accident” in IE
7. Give up and use a simplified version of the idea or scrap it all together

I have a book listing some of the more promising commands of CSS2. Following almost all of them is “not supported by IE”.

If IE7 fully supported CSS2 I would be thrilled.

by: Cyrris

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:06:15 +0000

That’s typical of Microsoft though. While the other browser manufacturers are always looking to implement future standards in their browsers (so things are easier for everyone when the standards are made official down the track), Microsoft just makes sure they implement what is official at the time, and right now the Acid2 test doesn’t fall into that category.

It’s that sort of attitude which really ticks me off, as new web standards are developed faster than Microsoft pumps out new versions of IE, it seems. Not that that means new standards come out particularly often, it’s just that IE updates are that scarce. It’s the reason IE6 became outdated so quickly, and it’s the reason IE7 won’t be regarded as having good standards support for very long if at all.

by: Kelmon

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:23:56 +0000

I just received a link to the following CNet article reporting that MS expects IE7 will fail the Web Standards Project's Acid2 test. While initially negative sounding the article does at least show that MS is trying to conform to the W3C standards, although they expect to release IE7 without full compliance. Ultimately, better than nothing but still somewhat irritating that, during the time of IE6, MS hasn't been able to embrace the same standards as everyone else. It is noted at the end of the article that other browser manufactures, such as Opera, Mozilla and Apple all expect to pass the test.