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	<title>Comments on: The Graphics Arms Race</title>
	<link>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/the-graphics-arms-race/</link>
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		<title>by: Kelmon</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/the-graphics-arms-race/#comment-858</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't know.  I'm still of the opinion that there has to be a limit and that this limit is fast approaching.  Indeed, games on the PC in the next few years may indeed look better than there next generation console brethren, but will it be enough for anyone to care?  I remember thinking how much better high-res PC games looked compared to the old PS1 and that PC games will always look better (TV vs. monitor) but Soul Calibur on the Dreamcast just blew me away (and, to a degree, still does).  I am therefore quite convinced that there's going to come a point where the level of difference between them isn't going to be sufficient to justify shelling out a shitload of cash for a new PC graphics card (or all the associated bits that you inevitably end up buying so that you can &quot;make the most&quot; of what you've bought).  When that point hits, who's going to make a new console?

The XBox Live 360 thing does, I grant you, involve profits, and is just an attempt to wrest market share away from Sony.  In terms of console creation, I guarantee that Microsoft would add it to the regular XBox if doing so was likely to get them the market share that they wanted since creating a new console just equates to new losses.  I guess it remains to be seen as to whether they can demonstrate that the 360 is worth the upgrade (and is better than the PS3) before this &quot;master&quot; plan pays off.  For some reason, at this moment, I doubt that there is going to be a major rush if the thing is so similar to the current system...

In terms of consoles into PCs, I tend to view it more as a merger in the other direction, i.e. PCs into consoles.  Both items are seeking a place in amongst (or replacing) your existing home entertainment system.  Consoles, however, have had a role here for the last few years (with design becoming ever more acceptable) and PCs have recently been making the transitioin (i.e. your Media PC).  I have my doubts that the 2 will ever converge entirely since the consoles will never return to the office and PCs will never truly be 100% living room systems since you need to write your letters or do your accounts somewhere than on the sofa.  Somewhat more likely is that the 2 systems will interface with each other to share desirable features but never full converge.

Stiil, just like most of the predictions of Tommorrows World, the above is probably a load of bollocks and both PCs and consoles will be replaced by iToasters or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know.  I&#8217;m still of the opinion that there has to be a limit and that this limit is fast approaching.  Indeed, games on the PC in the next few years may indeed look better than there next generation console brethren, but will it be enough for anyone to care?  I remember thinking how much better high-res PC games looked compared to the old PS1 and that PC games will always look better (TV vs. monitor) but Soul Calibur on the Dreamcast just blew me away (and, to a degree, still does).  I am therefore quite convinced that there&#8217;s going to come a point where the level of difference between them isn&#8217;t going to be sufficient to justify shelling out a shitload of cash for a new PC graphics card (or all the associated bits that you inevitably end up buying so that you can &#8220;make the most&#8221; of what you&#8217;ve bought).  When that point hits, who&#8217;s going to make a new console?</p>
<p>The XBox Live 360 thing does, I grant you, involve profits, and is just an attempt to wrest market share away from Sony.  In terms of console creation, I guarantee that Microsoft would add it to the regular XBox if doing so was likely to get them the market share that they wanted since creating a new console just equates to new losses.  I guess it remains to be seen as to whether they can demonstrate that the 360 is worth the upgrade (and is better than the PS3) before this &#8220;master&#8221; plan pays off.  For some reason, at this moment, I doubt that there is going to be a major rush if the thing is so similar to the current system&#8230;</p>
<p>In terms of consoles into PCs, I tend to view it more as a merger in the other direction, i.e. PCs into consoles.  Both items are seeking a place in amongst (or replacing) your existing home entertainment system.  Consoles, however, have had a role here for the last few years (with design becoming ever more acceptable) and PCs have recently been making the transitioin (i.e. your Media PC).  I have my doubts that the 2 will ever converge entirely since the consoles will never return to the office and PCs will never truly be 100% living room systems since you need to write your letters or do your accounts somewhere than on the sofa.  Somewhat more likely is that the 2 systems will interface with each other to share desirable features but never full converge.</p>
<p>Stiil, just like most of the predictions of Tommorrows World, the above is probably a load of bollocks and both PCs and consoles will be replaced by iToasters or something.
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		<title>by: Holliday</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/the-graphics-arms-race/#comment-857</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/the-graphics-arms-race/#comment-857</guid>
					<description>I wouldn't bet so much on Xbox 360/PS3 lasting any longer than other console generations.  While we like to think the graphical ceiling is close at hand we aren't even close.  There is quite a lot of room for graphics to grow yet.  The PS3 prerendered Killzone trailer is a good example.  We just aren't there yet, that may be PS4 games but not PS3 or Xbox 360.  Aside from Gears of War I was actually underwhelmed by most things I saw at E3 (in retrospect).  And by 'most things' I mean actual gameplay.

Also the console coup is always questioned and quickly dismissed months after launch.  This fall we see the new line of graphics cards that are very similiar (if not more powerful) to what powers the new consoles.  Gears of War will no doubt look better on a PC come early 2006.  By this time next year high-end PCs will have eclipsed console graphics.

I also think just in the name of profit more consoles will be developed.  Xbox live is a good example and I think Kelmon mentioned it earlier.  Surely the features in Xbox Live for the 360 could easily be implemented on the current Xbox.  But they aren't, instead it is one of the 360's flagship features.

Consoles are also an excellent way to push new media storage (blu-ray anyone?).

The only way I see consoles ceasing is when they fully assimilate into PCs.  I see the entire console trend as a sort of mutation off of PCs.  They came from PCs, seperated themselves completely and then slowly began forming back into their original form.  The Xbox and Xbox 360 are very clearly moving into PC realm.  The 360 is pretty much a media center PC with gaming as its prime function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t bet so much on Xbox 360/PS3 lasting any longer than other console generations.  While we like to think the graphical ceiling is close at hand we aren&#8217;t even close.  There is quite a lot of room for graphics to grow yet.  The PS3 prerendered Killzone trailer is a good example.  We just aren&#8217;t there yet, that may be PS4 games but not PS3 or Xbox 360.  Aside from Gears of War I was actually underwhelmed by most things I saw at E3 (in retrospect).  And by &#8216;most things&#8217; I mean actual gameplay.</p>
<p>Also the console coup is always questioned and quickly dismissed months after launch.  This fall we see the new line of graphics cards that are very similiar (if not more powerful) to what powers the new consoles.  Gears of War will no doubt look better on a PC come early 2006.  By this time next year high-end PCs will have eclipsed console graphics.</p>
<p>I also think just in the name of profit more consoles will be developed.  Xbox live is a good example and I think Kelmon mentioned it earlier.  Surely the features in Xbox Live for the 360 could easily be implemented on the current Xbox.  But they aren&#8217;t, instead it is one of the 360&#8217;s flagship features.</p>
<p>Consoles are also an excellent way to push new media storage (blu-ray anyone?).</p>
<p>The only way I see consoles ceasing is when they fully assimilate into PCs.  I see the entire console trend as a sort of mutation off of PCs.  They came from PCs, seperated themselves completely and then slowly began forming back into their original form.  The Xbox and Xbox 360 are very clearly moving into PC realm.  The 360 is pretty much a media center PC with gaming as its prime function.
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		<title>by: Kelmon</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/the-graphics-arms-race/#comment-848</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's probably worthwhile remembering that the primary driving force behind the various generations of consoles has been processing power and better graphics, with most of the other advances being pretty much secondary.  Once you hit a limit on those aspects of the console that need an entirely new machine to take advantage then everything else can probably be added as peripherals or services instead.

It's quite probable that there will be new advances in gaming in the future, but will you need an entirely new system to use them?  To a degree, I guess it depends on how extensible the current architecture has been made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s probably worthwhile remembering that the primary driving force behind the various generations of consoles has been processing power and better graphics, with most of the other advances being pretty much secondary.  Once you hit a limit on those aspects of the console that need an entirely new machine to take advantage then everything else can probably be added as peripherals or services instead.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite probable that there will be new advances in gaming in the future, but will you need an entirely new system to use them?  To a degree, I guess it depends on how extensible the current architecture has been made.
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		<title>by: Cyrris</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/the-graphics-arms-race/#comment-840</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2005 02:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As far as these consoles sticking around for a long time goes, I actually agree. Before when the Xbox and PS2 were released, their specs were substantially behind that of a high-end desktop PC. Despite that, these consoles were able to pump out framerates quite impressively, for a good long time. How long has the Xbox been around now? Like 4 years? And Doom 3 looks just as good on it as it does on a PC, really.

Now, in 6 months when the Xbox 360 hits shelves, it's specs are still going to be far beyond a high-end desktop PC, because the fact is it's architecture seems closer to that of a supercomputer than to a regular desktop. If the sub-par specs on the old Xbox were utilised to allow good performance for so long, imagine how long the Xbox 360 will last, being the powerhouse that it is.

I think it'll have a longer lifespan than the current Xbox did, and that is quite a long time for any electronic entertainment device. And all of the above can be applied to the PS3 as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as these consoles sticking around for a long time goes, I actually agree. Before when the Xbox and PS2 were released, their specs were substantially behind that of a high-end desktop PC. Despite that, these consoles were able to pump out framerates quite impressively, for a good long time. How long has the Xbox been around now? Like 4 years? And Doom 3 looks just as good on it as it does on a PC, really.</p>
<p>Now, in 6 months when the Xbox 360 hits shelves, it&#8217;s specs are still going to be far beyond a high-end desktop PC, because the fact is it&#8217;s architecture seems closer to that of a supercomputer than to a regular desktop. If the sub-par specs on the old Xbox were utilised to allow good performance for so long, imagine how long the Xbox 360 will last, being the powerhouse that it is.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;ll have a longer lifespan than the current Xbox did, and that is quite a long time for any electronic entertainment device. And all of the above can be applied to the PS3 as well.
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		<title>by: Thornhillboy</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/the-graphics-arms-race/#comment-830</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>At the end of the 19th century, the head of the patent office in London confidently predicted that 'everything that could be invented, has been invented'. Then look what happened. More things were invented in the 20th century than were ever before.

My point is that we can never be certain that technology can go further and gurther. We may think that it cant get better, but maybe thats just us not being able to comprehend it. And also, graphics are not anything. They may also improve on other factors with new consoles, such as AI or overall game size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the end of the 19th century, the head of the patent office in London confidently predicted that &#8216;everything that could be invented, has been invented&#8217;. Then look what happened. More things were invented in the 20th century than were ever before.</p>
<p>My point is that we can never be certain that technology can go further and gurther. We may think that it cant get better, but maybe thats just us not being able to comprehend it. And also, graphics are not anything. They may also improve on other factors with new consoles, such as AI or overall game size.
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