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	<title>Comments on: Something Wicked this Way Comes</title>
	<link>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/something-wicked-this-way-comes/</link>
	<description>Random babblings from a few digitally inclined people</description>
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		<title>by: Cyrris</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/something-wicked-this-way-comes/#comment-884</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, I'll let you make of it what you will in their &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/3/9.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog post here&lt;/a&gt;. 

Another thing that has ticked me off about IE is that they don't try to support standards until they have become official. In that link above they allude to not giving a damn about adding CSS 3 support for IE7, because it's not actually a standard yet. It's just in development.

This was largely the case when IE6 came out. It supported CSS1, but only a couple of CSS2 commands (and not properly, at that). This meant that by the time CSS2 was standard, IE was completely unprepared for it, and after all this time we're &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; waiting for them to catch up. Meanwhile, Mozilla makes sure that it implements what standards it can quickly, so that when the standards become official, they already have a browser that is capable of rendering pages with it.

The IE development team seems to think that playing catch-up is impressive enough, when it's not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ll let you make of it what you will in their <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/3/9.aspx" rel="nofollow">blog post here</a>. </p>
<p>Another thing that has ticked me off about IE is that they don&#8217;t try to support standards until they have become official. In that link above they allude to not giving a damn about adding CSS 3 support for IE7, because it&#8217;s not actually a standard yet. It&#8217;s just in development.</p>
<p>This was largely the case when IE6 came out. It supported CSS1, but only a couple of CSS2 commands (and not properly, at that). This meant that by the time CSS2 was standard, IE was completely unprepared for it, and after all this time we&#8217;re <em>still</em> waiting for them to catch up. Meanwhile, Mozilla makes sure that it implements what standards it can quickly, so that when the standards become official, they already have a browser that is capable of rendering pages with it.</p>
<p>The IE development team seems to think that playing catch-up is impressive enough, when it&#8217;s not.
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		<title>by: Kelmon</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/something-wicked-this-way-comes/#comment-881</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Security is definitely a big problem for IE.  I installed the Yahoo! Toolbar a few months ago complete with its Anti-Spy function and was shocked to discover the amount of spyware kicking around my office PC after only about 6-months of use.

I hope that Chris is wrong about IE ensuring that it is backwards compatible with its buggered brethren since it will ensure that I can continue to look forwards to &quot;Best Viewed With IE Since We Can't Be Arsed To Make It Compatible With Other Browsers&quot; messages and other annoyances...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Security is definitely a big problem for IE.  I installed the Yahoo! Toolbar a few months ago complete with its Anti-Spy function and was shocked to discover the amount of spyware kicking around my office PC after only about 6-months of use.</p>
<p>I hope that Chris is wrong about IE ensuring that it is backwards compatible with its buggered brethren since it will ensure that I can continue to look forwards to &#8220;Best Viewed With IE Since We Can&#8217;t Be Arsed To Make It Compatible With Other Browsers&#8221; messages and other annoyances&#8230;
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		<title>by: Thornhillboy</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/something-wicked-this-way-comes/#comment-880</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well I personally have never had any trouble with IE. But saying that, I do mean trouble that I have noticed. I could have hundreds of viruses and my hardrive slowly being wiped out and I would not notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I personally have never had any trouble with IE. But saying that, I do mean trouble that I have noticed. I could have hundreds of viruses and my hardrive slowly being wiped out and I would not notice.
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		<title>by: Cyrris</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/something-wicked-this-way-comes/#comment-878</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>IE 5 for Mac is seriously outdated, and it's actually very different from IE 5, 5.5, or 6 for Windows. It isn't supported by Microsoft anymore, though ironically, it has slightly better CSS support than any of the Windows IE versions. But other issues means that it's just not a viable option to use on the modern web anymore. Web designers generally hate having to code for it, as it's just yet another browser that displays things differently.

As for IE7, the MS developers have stated on their &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/default.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IE Blog&lt;/a&gt; that IE7 will feature much better CSS support, but it will still maintain backwards compatibility so it doesn't break older sites. What this means is that they're still not going to be a generally W3C-compliant browser, because they screwed everyone over too hard with previous versions of IE, and they can't just throw all the poorly skilled &quot;web developers&quot; into the deep end with a fully compliant browser.

As for funtionality, their tabbed browsing implementation is set to be, err, interesting. To maintain compatibility, speed, and stability, extra toolbar addons will now have their own instance in each tab you have open. If you want to see what I mean, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adamstiles.com/adam/2005/05/ie7_tabs_to_gor.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this place has some projected screenshots&lt;/a&gt; of what it will probably look like. Not pretty at all, and I for one value my screen real estate &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; highly. Good thing I won't use extra toolbars. Better thing - I won't use IE.

If 90% of the web used IE7 instead of IE6, that would be an improvement, but at least for the first 18 months or so, it's going to be a big pain having to design for compliant browsers (Safari, Firefox, and Opera) as well as both IE7 and IE6, which I dare say will have some different issues between them. Hopefully IE7's better CSS support will make this issue a minimal one though, and it'll still jsut be IE6 that's the pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IE 5 for Mac is seriously outdated, and it&#8217;s actually very different from IE 5, 5.5, or 6 for Windows. It isn&#8217;t supported by Microsoft anymore, though ironically, it has slightly better CSS support than any of the Windows IE versions. But other issues means that it&#8217;s just not a viable option to use on the modern web anymore. Web designers generally hate having to code for it, as it&#8217;s just yet another browser that displays things differently.</p>
<p>As for IE7, the MS developers have stated on their <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">IE Blog</a> that IE7 will feature much better CSS support, but it will still maintain backwards compatibility so it doesn&#8217;t break older sites. What this means is that they&#8217;re still not going to be a generally W3C-compliant browser, because they screwed everyone over too hard with previous versions of IE, and they can&#8217;t just throw all the poorly skilled &#8220;web developers&#8221; into the deep end with a fully compliant browser.</p>
<p>As for funtionality, their tabbed browsing implementation is set to be, err, interesting. To maintain compatibility, speed, and stability, extra toolbar addons will now have their own instance in each tab you have open. If you want to see what I mean, <a href="http://www.adamstiles.com/adam/2005/05/ie7_tabs_to_gor.html" rel="nofollow">this place has some projected screenshots</a> of what it will probably look like. Not pretty at all, and I for one value my screen real estate <em>very</em> highly. Good thing I won&#8217;t use extra toolbars. Better thing - I won&#8217;t use IE.</p>
<p>If 90% of the web used IE7 instead of IE6, that would be an improvement, but at least for the first 18 months or so, it&#8217;s going to be a big pain having to design for compliant browsers (Safari, Firefox, and Opera) as well as both IE7 and IE6, which I dare say will have some different issues between them. Hopefully IE7&#8217;s better CSS support will make this issue a minimal one though, and it&#8217;ll still jsut be IE6 that&#8217;s the pain.
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		<title>by: Vermouth</title>
		<link>http://www.aelon.net/2005/06/something-wicked-this-way-comes/#comment-876</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Can't you still use IE5 for macintosh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t you still use IE5 for macintosh?
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